{"id":6827,"date":"2026-09-19T08:23:44","date_gmt":"2026-09-19T08:23:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/?p=6827"},"modified":"2026-09-19T08:23:48","modified_gmt":"2026-09-19T08:23:48","slug":"two-tax-collectors-two-clocks-what-happens-after-an-ftb-or-irs-notice-lands-in-san-diego","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/two-tax-collectors-two-clocks-what-happens-after-an-ftb-or-irs-notice-lands-in-san-diego\/","title":{"rendered":"Two Tax Collectors, Two Clocks: What Happens After An FTB Or IRS Notice Lands In San Diego"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A California taxpayer who falls behind is being chased by two separate agencies for the same year&#8217;s income and the two of them are working to different calendars. The IRS has been limited to ten years since the 1990 amendments to section 6502 of the Internal Revenue Code. The Franchise Tax Board had no time limit at all until July 1, 2006, when Revenue and Taxation Code section 19255 gave it twenty and because that clock has been running for only twenty years and a couple of months, a California income tax balance has not yet been extinguished by the passage of time in the history of the state. That difference and what starts each clock over, is most of what a person needs to understand before agreeing to anything with either agency.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The IRS Clock Runs Ten Years And An Active Payment Plan Does Not Stop It<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Section 6502 gives the IRS ten years from the date a tax was assessed to collect it by levy or by suit. The IRS calls the end of that period the CSED and when it is reached the balance is written off and any federal lien is released. It is not ten calendar years in practice, because several things suspend it: an offer in compromise while it is pending plus thirty days, a collection due process hearing from the request through the determination, a bankruptcy for as long as it runs plus six months under section 6503(h) and time spent outside the country.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">An installment agreement is the one that people get wrong in the taxpayer&#8217;s favor. The request suspends the clock while it is pending, but once the agreement has been approved and payments are being made, the ten years keep running underneath it. A federal payment plan that will not clear the balance before the CSED arrives is worth entering, because whatever is left on that date is gone. The IRS knows this and calls the arrangement a partial payment installment agreement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The FTB Clock Runs Twenty Years And A Payment Plan Stretches It<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Section 19255 works differently at every step. The twenty years run from the date the latest liability for a tax year became due and payable and the FTB&#8217;s own guidance is candid about what &#8220;latest&#8221; means: if a collection cost recovery fee, a lien fee or an installment agreement fee is assessed on an old balance, the date of that fee becomes the new start of the twenty years. The example the FTB gives on it&#8217;s statute of limitations page is a $20,000 liability from 2000 on which a collection cost fee was assessed in 2008, which moved the expiry from 2020 to 2028.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The clock is also suspended, rather than merely not stopped, while a bankruptcy is open, while a taxpayer is in an approved payment plan, during military service in a combat zone and during child support collection plus sixty days. So the same installment agreement that was harmless on the federal side, because the CSED kept running, extends the state side, because the twenty years stop counting for as long as the plan is in place. Anyone who has an old California balance and is being offered a payment plan on it should have both expiry dates worked out first and that is exactly the piece of work a firm that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.jdavidtaxlaw.com\/san-diego-tax-attorney\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">defends San Diego County taxpayers in Franchise Tax Board and IRS collection cases<\/a> would be doing before advising on the plan: pulling the IRS account transcripts to reconstruct the CSED with it&#8217;s tolling events and getting the FTB&#8217;s due-and-payable history to see whether a fee assessment has restarted the twenty years. That firm&#8217;s San Diego page describes one such case in which an expired federal balance was excluded from the final payment, which came to about $30,000 the client would otherwise have paid on a debt the IRS could no longer collect.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>What The FTB Can Do Without Going To Court<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The FTB does not need a judgment. It can record a state tax lien, send an order to withhold to a bank so that funds are frozen and remitted, send an earnings withholding order to an employer for up to twenty-five percent of disposable wages until the balance is cleared and take state and federal refunds and lottery winnings by intercept. A business entity that does not pay or file can have it&#8217;s status suspended, which strips it of the right to sue, defend or contract in it&#8217;s own name.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Driver&#8217;s license suspension is narrower than the collection firms&#8217; websites suggest. It is tied to the FTB&#8217;s Top 500 delinquent taxpayer list, which is limited to balances over $100,000 and a taxpayer who has been notified of inclusion can avoid it by getting into a payment plan and staying current. For a balance of $14,000 the license is not in play; the bank account is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>The Door That Closes: FTB Payment Plan Rules<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"950\" height=\"451\" src=\"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/The-Door-That-Closes-2.webp\" alt=\"The Door That Closes\" class=\"wp-image-6831\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/The-Door-That-Closes-2.webp 950w, https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/The-Door-That-Closes-2-300x142.webp 300w, https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/The-Door-That-Closes-2-768x365.webp 768w, https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/The-Door-That-Closes-2-60x28.webp 60w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 950px) 100vw, 950px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The FTB&#8217;s own online installment agreement has a short list of conditions and one of them explains why the timing after a notice matters more on the state side than on the federal side.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The balance has to be $25,000 or less.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>It has to be payable within 60 months.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Returns have to be filed for the past five years.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Set-up fee is $34, added to the balance and processing can take up to 90 days, during which payments should keep going in.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You cannot apply online at all if there is an existing installment agreement, a wage garnishment, a bank levy or any other collection order on the account. Once an earnings withholding order has reached the employer, the online route is closed and the only way in is by phone, 800-689-4776, with a financial statement and probably a lien as a condition. The window for the simple plan is the gap between the first FTB demand and the day the employer gets the order and the FTB is faster to that day than the IRS is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The FTB also runs an offer in compromise, under which most collection actions are suspended while the offer is reviewed and a financial hardship status for taxpayers whose necessary expenses leave nothing over. Both require every missing return to be filed before the request will be considered.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Federal Side: What Lifts A Levy<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The IRS&#8217;s tools, set out in it&#8217;s own <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/taxtopics\/tc201\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">description of the collection process<\/a>, are the lien, the levy on bank funds and property and the wage levy at source. Any of the three resolutions on the IRS <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/taxtopics\/tc202\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">payment options page<\/a>, an installment agreement, an accepted <a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/payments\/offer-in-compromise\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">offer in compromise<\/a> or currently not collectible status, will generally halt enforced collection and a levy already sitting on an account can be released once one of them is in place. Penalty abatement is available on top and the first-time abatement is granted more often than people expect if the prior three years were clean. The IRS, like the FTB, will not consider any of it until the unfiled returns are in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Where To Walk In And Where The Free Help Is<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"737\" height=\"636\" src=\"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Where-To-Walk-In-And-Where-The-Free-Help-Is.webp\" alt=\"Where To Walk In And Where The Free Help Is\" class=\"wp-image-6832\" srcset=\"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Where-To-Walk-In-And-Where-The-Free-Help-Is.webp 737w, https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Where-To-Walk-In-And-Where-The-Free-Help-Is-300x259.webp 300w, https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/Where-To-Walk-In-And-Where-The-Free-Help-Is-60x52.webp 60w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 737px) 100vw, 737px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Franchise Tax Board San Diego field office: 7575 Metropolitan Drive, Suite 201, San Diego 92108.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>IRS Taxpayer Assistance Centers: 880 Front Street, Suite 1247, downtown and 1 Civic Center Drive, San Marcos. Appointment only, booked on 844-545-5640 and you will be turned away at the door without one.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Taxpayer Advocate Service, San Diego office: 701 B Street, Suite 902, for federal cases where the normal channels have stalled or a levy is causing hardship.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Legal Aid Society of San Diego&#8217;s tax clinic holds a free walk-in session at the San Diego County Law Library, 1105 Front Street, on the last Wednesday of each month from 12:30 to 3:00 and the University of San Diego School of Law runs a state income tax clinic on (619) 260-7470 for people who cannot pay for representation.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If two notices have arrived, one from Sacramento and one from the IRS, the order of work is the same whoever is doing it: file whatever is missing, find out which enforcement orders are already out, get onto the FTB plan by phone or online while the online door is still open and settle the federal side on terms that let the ten years keep running. The two agencies do not talk to each other about your balance and neither of them will tell you what the other one&#8217;s clock says.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>References<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ftb.ca.gov\/pay\/collections\/statute-of-limitations-on-collection-actions.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Statute of limitations (SOL) on collection actions, California Franchise Tax Board<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ftb.ca.gov\/online\/eIA\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Payment plans, Installment agreement, California Franchise Tax Board<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.law.cornell.edu\/uscode\/text\/26\/6503\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Internal Revenue Code sections 6502 and 6503(h), collection after assessment and suspension of the running of the period.<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ftb.ca.gov\/pay\/collections\/statute-of-limitations-on-collection-actions.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">California Revenue and Taxation Code section 19255, twenty-year limitation on collection.<\/a><\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/faucherlaw.com\/the-statute-of-limitations-on-irs-ftb-tax-debt-collection\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">The Statute of Limitations on IRS &amp; FTB Tax Debt Collection, Faucher Law<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ftb.ca.gov\/help\/free-tax-help\/5130.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">FTB field office addresses, 2024 VITA California Volunteer Reference Manual, FTB 5130<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.lassd.org\/?p=42\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Taxpayer Rights and Education, Legal Aid Society of San Diego, with TAS and IRS TAC locations<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/taxtopics\/tc201\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Topic No. 201, The Collection Process, IRS<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/taxtopics\/tc202\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Topic No. 202, Tax Payment Options, IRS<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.irs.gov\/payments\/offer-in-compromise\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Offer in Compromise, IRS<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.jdavidtaxlaw.com\/san-diego-tax-attorney\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Tax Attorney San Diego, CA, J. David Tax Law<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/nbcsandiego.com\/news\/local\/irs-san-diego-taxpayer-assistance-center-saturday\/3460893\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">IRS offering San Diegans face-to-face assistance, NBC San Diego, with TAC addresses<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A California taxpayer who falls behind is being chased by two separate agencies for the same year&#8217;s income and the two of them are working to different calendars. The IRS has been limited to ten years since the 1990 amendments to section 6502 of the Internal Revenue Code. The Franchise Tax Board had no time limit at all until July 1, 2006, when Revenue and Taxation Code section 19255 gave it twenty and because that clock has been running for only twenty years and a couple of months, a California income tax balance has not yet been extinguished by the<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":6834,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[476],"tags":[2918,2916,2915,2919,2920,2917,2921],"class_list":["post-6827","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-finance","tag-california-franchise-tax-board","tag-ftb-20-year-statute","tag-ftb-collection-notice","tag-ftb-vs-irs-collection","tag-irc-6502-csed","tag-irs-notice-san-diego","tag-san-diego-tax-debt"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6827","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=6827"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6827\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6833,"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/6827\/revisions\/6833"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/6834"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=6827"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=6827"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/thelawyerworld.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=6827"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}